Falesne SSN

miro · Zaslal: so leden 22, 2005 1:20 pm Předmět: Falesne SSN

Ten, kdo chce pouzivat falesne SSN by me domyslet az dokonce. Pouzívat ci nepouzivat falesne SSN? Odpoved by mela byt jasná. Nepouzivat. Tezko vám mohu doporucit pouzivat falesne Social Security Number.

Jaká vsak je praxe? Hodne lidí, prave diky tomu, ze nemaji narok na SSN jako turiste, pouziva falesne cislo nebo karticku. Pokud nekomu nahlasite vymyslene SSN, tak to jeste neni tak hrozna pohroma i kdyz z toho muzete samozrejme mit take problem. nekteri zamestnavatele spolehají na to co jim nahlasíte. Vy musite spoléhat na to, ze to zamestnavatel nebude proverovat.

Proc by to mel proverovat?
Kazda firma by si mela proverit u INS, nyni BCIS, jestli dotycna osoba ma opravneni pracovat v USA. Mnoho firem zabyvajicich se stavebnimi pracemi, uklidy apd. to nedela. Pokud vsak navas firma odvede dane, prijde ji zpet informace o tom, ze SSN pracovnika se jmenem tim a tim neodpovida datum, ktere oni maji. Pak jde o to u jakeho zamestnavatele. Pokud je to seriozni firma, tak mate padaka pokud jim nedokazete, ze jde o omyl. Pokud je to nekdo, kdo o tom vi, nebo mu do toho nic neni, tak to necha byt.

Jsou zde i jedinci, kteri si zahravaji s falsifikaty a upravenymi kartickami. Je dobre si uvedomit, ze tato kratkozrakost se vam muze pekne vymstít, i kdyz vám muze docasne prinést prilepseni. Falsováni dokumentu je velmi hlidany trestny cin, za ktere tu jsou pomerne vysoke tresty. Kazdy, kdo tu chce zustat a ma spetku rozumu, by se mel takove veci vyhybat. Mit neco takove u sebe je dost velke riziko, nehlede na to, ze vam k nicemu jinemu, nez jako doklad pro zamestnavatele tato karta nebude.

Tady je vytah z nastenky, jak probihala diskuze:

sick:To IRS nepozna, mozna pri delsim patrani by na to mohli prijit, ale nikdo se tim zabivat nebude. Jde jen o chybne zadane cisla ci padelky, jelikoz oni nenajdou dane cislo v databazy a nebo ho najdou a zjisti, ze clovek komu patrilo uz pet let nezije. Jinak jsem nekde cetl, ze je jen nekolik variat prvniho tricisli na ss# a kazde z nich jasne oznacuje kategoriji druhu ss#. Tim padem by mel hned kazdy poznat, jestli je to ss# neprocovni, pracovni ci normalniho amika, takze pokud je tanto fakt prvdou, tak by vlastne nikomu ani nepomohlo vymazani napisu na ss#, jak uz nekteri ucinili. Mozna, ze byl jen tento fakt nepriliz dobre publikovan a tudiz ho nikdo nezna, ale na druhou stranu by to byla dostatecna pomoc pro zamestnavatele, kteri se chteji vyvarovat problemum pri najmuti ilegala.

cirus:Dost pochybujem o tom ze sa SSN da odlisit pracove od turisickeho na zaklade cisel,mam totiz znameho co ziskal turisticke SSN a casom si vybavil prac povolenie(amnestia) a SSN mu zostalo zo stejnym ciclom

Charles:Tady je pro vsechny vysvetleni, co jaka cast SSN znamena a k cemu je dobra. Zatim v anglictine, ale pokud bude zajem mohu to pro ostatni prelozit. Mozna to i udelam mimo nastenku jako soucast stranek. A nyni uz k textu.

Number Has Three Parts

The nine-digit SSN is composed of three parts:

The first set of three digits is called the Area Number
The second set of two digits is called the Group Number
The final set of four digits is the Serial Number
Area Number

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

Generally, numbers were assigned beginning in the northeast and moving westward. So people on the east coast have the lowest numbers and those on the west coast have the highest numbers.

Note: One should not make too much of the "geographical code." It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.

(Complete list of the geographical number assignments.)

Group Number

Within each area, the group number (middle two (2) digits) range from 01 to 99 but are not assigned in consecutive order. For administrative reasons, group numbers issued first consist of the ODD numbers from 01 through 09 and then EVEN numbers from 10 through 98, within each area number allocated to a State. After all numbers in group 98 of a particular area have been issued, the EVEN Groups 02 through 08 are used, followed by ODD Groups 11 through 99.

Litlle_stoney · Registrace: 14. 01. 2005 Příspěvky: 9

jak to v praxi teda funguje?
Uz spolu BCIES a SSA spolupracuji a oznamuji jmena lidi, co pracuji na nepracovni SSN?
Prijde neco zamestnavateli? A kdyz ano, co?

vldn · Anonymní

Tohle pise IRS (financak) o nabirani novych lidi:
( ttp://www.irs.gov/publications/p15/ar02.html#d0e249 )
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ted bacha, tohle je anglicky, tak to preskocte...
Shocked

Hiring New Employees
Eligibility for employment. You must verify that each new employee is legally eligible to work in the United States. This will include completing the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification. You can get the form from USCIS offices or by calling 1-800-870-3676. Contact the USCIS at 1-800-375-5283, or visit the USCIS website at www.uscis.gov for further information.

New hire reporting. You are required to report any new employee to a designated state new hire registry. Many states accept a copy of Form W-4 with employer information added. Call the Office of Child Support Enforcement at 202-401-9267 or access its website at www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cse/newhire for more information.

Income tax withholding. Ask each new employee to complete the 2005 Form W-4. See section 9.

Name and social security number. Record each new employee's name and number from his or her social security card.
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Sad

Zamestnavatel by mel nahlasit nove zamestnance do statniho registru. Vetsina firem toto nedela a nebo to delaji az na konci roku spolecne s vyuctovanim dani. V dnesni dobe kazdy "rozumny" zamestnavatel rad privre oko nad overovanim udaju vymenou za dobreho (a casto potrebneho) zamestnance.

Co se stane na jare dalsiho roku? S nejvetsi pravdepodobnosti to, ze zamestnavatel dostane od IRS a SSA upozorneni, aby "upresnil" udaje o zamestnanci (= jeho SSN) a jeho odvedenych danich za minuly rok. Nebyva tomu tak vzdy. Vetsinou se vse mlcky povazuje za pouhy omyl nebo preklepnuti... Proc? Zamestnanec, ktery odevzdal statu dane (= socialni a zdravotni pojisteni ze mzdy a statni a federalni zalohu na dane) a nechce po statu zadne protisluzby (= duchod, preplatek dani, podporu v nezamestnanosti a minimalni zdravotni osetreni), tak je IDEALNI zamestnanec. Na tom je to vsechno zalozene. Nelegalni zamestnanci, kteri plati dane na spatne SSN jsou pro Ameriku prinosem v podobe $$$ do statniho rozpoctu a vetsinou take v podobe levne pracovni sily. Navic se techto lidi lze lehce "zbavit" v pripade vetsi nezamestnanosti v danne oblasti apod... Idealni stav, co si o tom myslite?

Toto je fakt, ktery se neda poprit a na kterem je (samozrejme z casti) zalozena americka ekonomika. Levna pracovni sila je zakladem uspesne ekonomiky (tou ovsem ta americka uz dlouho neni Laughing

). Tak me napada, proc to neotiskneme treba ve Washington Post? At si to prectou i ti v Bilem Dome. To asi neni potreba, vsak oni to moc dobre vedi..... a navic nekteri z nich asi umi moc dobre pocitat.

Idea

miro · Zaslal: čt duben 21, 2005 4:58 pm Předmět:

vldn>>
Dik za prispevek.

Anonymní · Zaslal: čt únor 02, 2006 5:21 pm Předmět: tax number

mamne otazku , co se stane kdyz osoba vyplni aplikaci a napise pod ssn tax number , ale neni ani jeji?muzou s toho byt komlpikace jestli sy to oni zjisti?
uz si to zjistili a poslali dopis ze ssn is invalid a credit report si to zjistila, a ta prace mela byt v Kmarte? vyte co delat???

pdmlynek · Zaslal: čt únor 02, 2006 5:31 pm Předmět:

No big deal. Posli jim spravne cislo.

feelda303 · Registrace: 04. 05. 2006 Příspěvky: 12 Bydliště: FL

Nechci nikoho a nic ospravedlnovat a taky bych do toho asi nesel, ale tohle jsem nasel na http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/custom/immigration

Q: My father is working with a fake Social Security card. Will that prevent him from getting permanent residence? When he goes for his permanent-residence interview, will the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services deny his application because he worked with a phony card?

A: Your father shouldn't have a problem getting permanent residence because he worked with a false Social Security card. Using a false card is not a bar to permanent residence. Further, the government only very rarely brings criminal charges against someone solely for using a false card.
The government has used Social Security card violations to go after alleged terrorists, but the average undocumented taxpayer need not be afraid. Once your father applies for permanent residence, he can get employment authorization and his own valid Social Security card.

Someone who worked with a phony card and then gets a real one can ask the Social Security Administration to reconcile the two accounts. That way your father wouldn't lose the benefits he earned working with the false card. Then, when he retires, he can benefit from the time he worked with the phony card.

CyborgX · Zaslal: st prosinec 27, 2006 3:00 pm Předmět: